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we have our live cameras trained on the pregame show and as we give you this live picture, want to give you a little bit of very important context. no republican has won the presidency without winning ohio. ever. more importantly a critical piece in the campaign puzzle. the metrics of which -- the states the governor has to win in order to get the electoral map on his side. he's in cincinnati for three campaign rallies throughout that state. our national political correspondent jim acosta is on the ground in cincinnati. he's following mitt romney's campaign. so, give me a bit of the game plan. we've seen the geography for the game plan but the strategy game plan for ohio today? >> ashleigh, i think you laid it out well there in the run up to this report. i have to tell you, mitt romney is going to be going across this battleground state with a vengeance today. he has ground to make up with president obama with respect to the swing state.
the latest "time" magazine poll that came out yesterday showed the president ahead of mitt romney by 5 percentage points. our cnn polling of polls has a smaller advantage for president obama by three points but as you said, he has to win this state to i guess join the long list of republican candidates who went on to the white house. they've won ohio. he has to do that if he wants to follow that trend. there are other ways to get here if he doesn't win the state. he's going to be talking about the economy, of course. we've been hearing that over the last couple days and yesterday he sort of repackaged his stump speech and message framing it in a way to communicate to families saying what's in the best interest of your family, how are the housing prices affecting your family, how is the national debt affecting your family. we may be hearing more about that in just a few moments from now. i have to tell you, as you know, ashleigh, there's been a distraction for the campaign over the last 24 hours and has to do with indiana republican senate candidate richard mourdock who made the
controversial comments about abortion and rape at a debate and mitt romney was silent on this matter yesterday his campaign advisers were not really seen around the press corps when we tried to talk to them about this yesterday and earlier this morning he made a stop at a breakfast shop here in cincinnati. he was asked again by reporters about this matter. he did not respond to those questions. of course all of this is an issue for mitt romney because he just taped an ad for richard mourdock just in the last couple of weeks for that senate candidate's campaign. and so far, the romney campaign says they are standing behind their support for richard mourdock and they're not asking him to pull that ad. one other interesting tidbit to bring up last night on cnn's anderson cooper 360, senator john mccain said he was weighing whether or not to continue supporting richard mourdock because he said he had not heard mourdock apologize. mccain's office has just put out a statement in the last several minutes saying that mccain now
realizes mourdock has apologized and he is continuing to support his campaign for the senate in indiana. >> i'm glad you cleared that up. i have to tell you when i was watching that interview last night i noticed it was a pretaped interview and broad daylight behind him and didn't know what time that interview had been done but it more than likely was done after that 11:30 news conference yesterday morning and some people said it wasn't so much as an apology, because he didn't apologize for what he said. he apologized if people took it the wrong way. so that, some people said, was not an apology, used the words regret at one point. that didn't seem to be a problem for senator mccain? >> i think it's good enough for senator mccain and actually there's one other thing we're going to be talking about today, a very interesting interview president obama gave to "rolling stone" magazine, some excerpts have been reported by various news outlets done by douglas brinkley the respected historian and in that interview president
obama, according to douglas brinkley, according to "rolling stone" magazine referred to mitt romney as a b.s.er although he used a word we can't use on national television. rhymes with bull spitter. we're going to be hearing about that i would think from at least some romney supporters if not from the campaign itself. it's getting close. it's going to get nasty. and we'll be hearing from mitt romney here in a few minutes. >> i'm keeping my eye on -- jim, i'm keeping an eye on the stage behind you and the pregame still on. so as we ramp up to the live appearance by the governor, i just want to ask you about the actual geographic strategy. we often times call it, you know, the pathway to the presidency or whatever brand you want to give it. clearly it is a -- it's a puzzle and some puzzle pieces will work and other puzzle pieces won't. i just want to ask you about this state. you talked about the poll of polls, you know, it's right now showing 48/45 in favor of
president obama. so what if, what if the governor does not prevail in the state in which you are standing right now in which he is campaigning so hard right now? is there another combination that will work for mitt romney? >> it's sort of like a rubik's cube, actually. you keep spinning the boxes around and hopefully line it up and solve the puzzle. i think there are other possibilities. obviously if he wins florida and virginia and then captured say wisconsin, iowa, nevada, if he can sort of peel some of those states away from the president i believe he starts along with new hampshire starts to approach or go over that 270 number and keep in mind, ashleigh, mitt romney is going to be across the state of ohio today, but he's going back to iowa where we were last night to give what he is billing as a major economic speech. they are keeping their eyes focused on iowa just as the president was staying focused on iowa yesterday when he was in that battleground state. it's one of those -- it is a
rubik's cube at this point, all about if you can't pull ohio into your column here, what other states can you add up and exceed that electoral vote total and these other states to make the math work out to your favor. and i think that's why you're seeing both campaigns sort of going all over the map. they're flying back and forth from one state to another because there is no clear path for either candidate at this point because the race is so close. >> jim accoostacosta, our natio correspondent on the romney campaign for us thank you so much. as you watch behind you for when the governor comes out want to let our viewers know after this rally, the pace is breakneck. this is in cincinnati, the governor heads to worthington and defiance for two more campaign stops in ohio. heat is on for both of these campaigns. it you're wondering what the president has been up to in the meantime you guessed it, heading back to ohio as well. he's going to be there tonight in fact. not before pulling what he called an all nighter, taking the red eye on air force one to
quite literally crisscross the country in a campaign marathon. two states, eight days, coast to coast. wait let me put that another way. two days, eight states, coast to coast. a big difference and a heck of a difference in pace. several tv interviews in between. but this is frenzied -- a frenzied pace normally reserved for the last few days before the election, not 12 days out. this morning, there is one very prominent republican who is putting his name and vote behind president obama. it is former secretary of state colin powell, who said it this way. >> well, you know, i voted for him in 2008 and i plan to stick with him in 2012 and i'll be voting for he and for vice president joe biden next month. >> that's an endorsement of president obama for re-election? >> yes. >> perhaps not surprising, but meanwhile, the president was continuing his america forward swing this morning in tampa,
florida, as you look at pictures from 2010 as the president sat with colin powell in washington, d.c., at the white house. so to florida, he talked about making a campaign stop in chicago today to cast his own ballot. take a look. >> i'm going to stop in chicago. i'm going to do some early voting in chicago. i can't tell you who i'm voting for. it's a secret ballot. >> and on monday, this guy, comes back into the picture. president obama will not be the only one on the campaign trail. he'll be joined by president bill clinton who's going to join in at campaign events in florida and ohio, and virginia. those are three highly, highly competitive states right now. you'll see a lot more of that walking arm in arm as the days wane. more after this. than that though,
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he was the texas governor and he even spoke spanish on the campaign trail. but governor mitt romney's position and the republican moves some of them on immigration and border control and health care, could be causing some problems and eroding some of that goodwill and the inroads that president obama -- president bush made in the latino community. that is the fastest growing part of the electorate and it is critical for president obama's campaign because he may, in fact, be banking, banking on latinos to win his re-election. the reason i can say that is because he actually made this extraordinarily telling comment to the "des moines register" in what at one point was an off the record interview, but that he and his campaign released. here's the quote -- but that
raises some fascinating questions about mr. president obama's election strategy. our cnn contributor and daily beast senior columnist john avalon written a piece about this. i encourage you for wait for this interview to be over and then to your computer to read this. he's on the cnn election express bus and joins me live from orlando, florida. start with the obvious, wow, that's not the kind of statement you would normally see, but that was supposeden to originally an off the rohe record interview. is that how it works, you can speak in those stark terms when it's otr? >> i think the president was telling the truth. you know, mitt romney has lost a lot of the gains that george w. bush and very consciously made. trying to make inroads too the hispanic community. demographics are destiny and we know the latino community is the fastest growing community in the united states right now. but because mitt romney tacked to the right on this issue, issues of immigration in particular, during the primaries, because of the
high-profile arizona law, republicans have a problem with latinos in terms of outreach. what president obama was saying is look, because of that erosion, i have a real opportunity to make real permanent inroads. the question of this election right now, because president obama is suffering a slight decline in white support, mitt romney's short-term momentum against the long-term demographic trends. it is a risky gamble for the obama campaign. no question about it. >> well, let me ask you this. since you are in florida and i think the statistic is almost a quarter of the state this year is hispanic, it's exhibit a as you put it as to why this is such a risky election strategy. is it because you're breaking down down the hispanic demographics or an overarching reason you say that? >> the biggest question is whether the president and the democrats gamble this election cycle is ahead of the tipping point. is it appropriate for 2020 or 2016 strategy? when the democrats, demographics
would bear out the gamble. in a state like florida, where 22% of the electorate is hispanic, there's obviously a major inroad. this has been a diverse community. what's different about florida where we are today is that because you've got a strong concentration of conservative cubans in the miami area, traditionally voted republican, but that demographic profile has changed as more folks from latin america, citizens from puerto rico moving into orlando, and in 2006 florida hit a point where hispanic registration started edging democrat. but that focus here in florida, the strong core of cuban republic support isn't an anomaly. overwhelmingly hispanics seem to be supporting president obama by an unprecedented margin. that's what is he is banking on, states that used to be swing states like new mexico are not looking like swing states but in the democratic column. colorado and virginia those demographic shifts will be pivotal to see how those swing
states end up voting. >> let me ask you this, i know you've written about sort of the hemorrhaging of the white vote for president obama. are there enough as you look across clearly the swing states, are there enough -- and that's not the graphic i want to read for you. that's the answer you gave me. move on to the next question, are there enough say black and hispanic votes across the country in the critical swing states to accommodate for that loss of white votes? will they balance out, will one overtake the other? >> that is the big question of this election. the question is, are we at that tipping point? is it this cycle or some time in the near future? you know, whites still make up the overwhelming segment of registered voters in this country and the population overall. president obama really does -- ron brownstein a contributor has written brilliant analysis pointing the president needs to keep around 40% of the white vote and if he gets that plus 80% of the african-american and hispanic vote or more, then's
in good shape. the real larger problem i think is right now, in the two parties are so racially po particullari that doesn't bode well for the country in the future, that's something the president promised to do, something he didn't do in 2008, but with the electorate so polarized some of these are re-emerging with two weeks to go. >> john avalon live in florida, fresh off the cnn election express battleground bus tour, thank you, sir. look forward to you making it home safely. want to let you know statistics here. according to the national association latino elected and appointed officials, more than 12.2 million latino voters are expected to cast their ballot this election day. look down four years, that number was only 9.7 million who voted back in 2008. what if there was a new way to deal with money
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so live pictures for you now. want to take you to cincinnati ohio. we told you it was coming and here it is. mitt romney at the podium. let's listen in. >> the chance to watch a few debates which i enjoyed a great deal. i have to be honest with you. these debates really have propelled our campaign across
the country and some respects i think they've diminished the obama campaign because he is now resorted to talking about saving characters on sesame street and word games and, of course, he continues to launch these misdirected attacks at me and he knows they're not accurate and they're not making much progress for him and his campaign gets smaller and smaller focused on smaller things. our campaign is about big things. because we happen to believe that america faces big challenges. we recognize this is a year with a big choice and the americans want to see big changes and i'm going to bring it to this country. this is a -- this is a defining election, i believe. it's an election which define great deal about the country,
but it's also defining about the american families and your family. i say that because the choice that will be made, this big choice coming up, will have an impact on you and your family. if you're a senior, for instance, or a senior you're caring for, if president obama were to get re-elected and that senior were to need the care of a medical specialist, you might call the appointment secretary of the doctor and say i would like to make an appointment and be told i'm sorry, we're not taking any more medicare patients because under obama care, some 50% of america's doctors are saying, they won't accept new medicare patients. now if i'm president, when i'm president, we're going to --
thank you. now you see, when i'm president, we're going to repeal obama care and put that $716 billion the president is taking out of medicare, we're going to put it back into medicare so you or the senior you're caring for can be sure when you call a doctor, the doctor will say i'm happy to make an appointment to see you. that's the difference between a romney administration and an obama administration. now, for those of you in your 40s and 50s, who have always anticipated that these would be the high earning years -- >> so as we continue to watch mitt romney on the stump in cincinnati, this is ohio, folks, three stops in ohio today, and
if you were wondering this is his second trip to cincinnati since the republican convention. you can expect to hear a lot more about ohio, that's the jet engine production facility. by the way, speaking of campaigning and speaking of big speeches and big stage moments, do you remember this? >> you must vote and you must re-elect president barack obama. god bless you and god bless america. >> just a few weeks ago, that was the charlotte democratic national convention. william jefferson clinton, a moment a lot of people thought was like a red bull injection into the obama campaign. so now as we just mentioned to you a little while ago, coming to a battleground stage near you, this scene may play out again. don't know about the bro hug but those two will be side by side campaigning yet again for the final week of stumping. monday it all starts off in florida, it will be the first time that these two have campaigned together this election. they've done other appearances, fund-raisers, et cetera but the
first time they'll be campaigning together. bring in paul steinhauser and talk about this. i've been curious, look i know that guy gets rock star ratings on the tv because i saw those ratings and i've never seen ratings for the news networks that have been higher, but is there a specific demographic that president clinton can come in and hand deliver to president obama or is this just an overall effect they're looking for in the obama cam? >> here's why they love when i say they, the obama campaign loves having bill clinton as one of their top surrogates on the campaign trail. he motivates the base. he pumps up democrats. and we see our most recent poll and we looked at his favorable ratings among democrats it was at 87%. among men his favorable rating was almost 70%, higher than his overall 66% favorable rating. he helps with men, white men in particular, and the base. that's one of the reasons why president -- the current president wants the former president by his side next monday in those three crucial battleground states and i'm sure you'll see more of bill clinton
with or without barack obama stumping for the president over the last week and a half, ashleigh. >> if you can talk to me about the electoral map and the shifting, the changing winds and the shifting colors on the electoral map. we at cnn have just shifted north carolina into the leaning romney category. the significance of that and the polls that led us to do that? >> take a look at the map and we'll go through it quickly. we did move north carolina last night from true toss up now you can see north carolina right there on the east coast there, as light red which means it's leaning towards mitt romney. that takes mitt romney's electoral count from 191 up to 206. we think he's leading in states with 206 electoral votes. the president remains leaning in states with 237 electoral votes. 270 is the magic number. we quickly moved indiana and missouri from lean romney to solid romney. why did we move north carolina? not because of the polls. the polls have indicated lately that mitt romney does have a slight advantage and seems to be growing by day but also, we take a look at where the president's
been campaigning. guess what, when was the last time the president was in north carolina? you showed it, the convention in early september. ashleigh? >> thank you, paul. as we continue to look at all the states we look a lot at ohio, both the candidates stumping in ohio today, mitt romney on that stage in ohio, the rally in worthington will be later on today. just looking at my map. i think it's at 3:10 eastern time. you can bet your bottom dollar lot of folks getting out ready to watch the governor come into their state and do his blitz. back in a moment. if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows...
video allegedly shows him dolling out some advice on how to commit election fraud. patrick moran, son of congressman jim moran, was talking to a conservative activist posing as a campaign worker. that activist is part of james o'keefe's organization and you might remember, james o'keefe from a hidden camera investigation he did of the acorn group. the operative told moran he wanted to cast ballots in the name of 100 registered voters who rarely vote. and listen to moran's response. >> now you're going to have you know you'll have somebody in house if they feel what you have is legitimate they'll argue for you. >> an ofa lawyer or provided by the committees. yeah. >> it's got to look good? >> yeah. i think that's going to be a matter of -- >> need to find a computer guy. that's probably my next step.
>> yeah. >> all right. >> you're hard core. >> jim moran's campaign has said that patrick, jim's son, is a well-respected part of the team and called the doesn't an error in judgment and as for patrick's own response to all of this, quote for you, he said at no point did i take this person seriously. he struck me as being unstable and joking, and for only that reason, did i humor him. in hindsight, i should have immediately walked away, making it clear that there is no place in the electoral process for even the suggestion of illegal behavior, joking or not. i'm going to credit that to a statement to "the washington post." but again, he's stepped down from this campaign. troublesome no matter what he says. do you remember palm beach county, florida? of course you do. it's back, folks.
just feast your eyes back on these images from the year 2000 that none of us could get out of our headses. 12 years ago it was the home of the hanging chad. and it was the center of an electoral mess that ended up leaving the whole process after the supreme court to settle out george w. bush's white house win. in the end, it all came down to just 537 of those cards and those chads. which represent your votes. fast forward 12 years now, somebody in palm beach county apparently made a mistake again and they printed off some absentee ballots. but the ballots cannot be read by the computers. and those people, 27,000 of them, who marked their ballots and sent them in, good for you, way to go, early voting, those ballots can't be counted by the computers so now, the remedy, palm beach county elections officials are working hard at
recopying all 27,000 of those absentee ballots by hand. they are transferring all the results from those ballots on to other ballots that the machines actually will be able to read correctly. how do i know this? because andrew has been following this story really well from politico and he joins me now live. okay. first of all, i guess the obvious question we should start with, andrew, how on earth did those ballots go out in the first place with the mistakes? >> well, there was a bit of a disagreement with the printer apparently down in palm beach county and the supervisor there essentially said that we didn't sign off on this print and the printer said yes, they did and they eventually went to print. there are about 60,000 misprinted ballots in total. >> somebody is blaming the printer and the printer is saying wasn't us, they signed off on it. they got the mistake, and now fix the 27,000 strong mistake. is this legal?
i put in my absentee ballot, i had to seal it twice and mail it and no one is allowed to open that until election day, now we have ballots not only opened and looked at but someone will take that judgment and transfer it to another card to represent their judgment. is that legal? >> well, it's sort of in this little bit of a legal gray zone at this point. they've established this process whereby you have a democrat and republican looking at each ballot and hand copying them on to another ballot. there's already talk of lawsuits and potential challenges and, of course, you know, like you mentioned this is the county where the bush v. gore case sort of got its start and florida will be a really key state for the presidential election, so we'll have to see how all that plays out. >> yes, i believe i crafted my first few face wrinkles during that process in the year 2000. andrew, i am astutely concerned about what's about to happen with this process. do you know -- and i like the fact that you cleared up there are democrat and republican
officials overseeing one of these ballots however since these are absentee ballots and quite often absentee ballots skew republican with the military, just about all absentee ballots when deployed, do we know if there's one party or the other that opposes this whole operation, just because of the way it is because of the way they're trying to remedy it? >> well, we've seen some initial sort of reservations from the romney campaign about this. last week the palm beach post which has been doing really good reporting on this, reported that the romney -- a lawyer from the romney campaign raised questions about this process. they're not really elaborating on how they would like to fix all of this. so we'll have to see exactly how it plays out. of course depending on how the election plays out,ou could potentially see a lot more fuss about this. >> all right. pack a lunch and buckle up. you're on this beat a couple more weeks at least. thanks so much i appreciate your reporting. andrew from politico. back after this. i'm so glad you called. thank you.
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i'm always happy to bring you sunny news, happy news, and this is happy news where we don't usually get it on the economy front. so today i can tell you that the jobless claims were down 23,000, that's a lot. so they still sit at 369,000 which is a lot, but according to a report from realty trac other good news in foreclosures, those are down as well and not just
down a little bit, down in 62% of the united states cities. i hope you live in one of them because it's always good news if you have good stuff with the housing front. christine romans is here to not -- usually say break it down but i'm not going to that today. i want you to pivot if you would, we have a big jobs report coming out next week, last one before election, going to matter a lot. and today i just finally said enough, 14 times i've been watching these gas prices go down every day, romans has to put context to this. gas prices, what is going on? >> they have been drifting lower here after they drifted higher through much of the summer. want to show you what october gas prices look like. they've been coming down as ashleigh said two weeks in a row now. the so-called experts say that you could see $3.40 to $3.50 by thanksgiving. that's good news. we expect -- >> 20 cents more by thanksgiving. >> because we had supply disruptions in the near term and if you look at gas prices, this chart of gas prices this year, you can see where those
disruptions were, refinery fire in venezuela, problems in california, and you can see -- see where the prices started to go up on the second half of that chart. >> yeah. >> came down in the summer, see the beginning of the year when it was the primaries and remember candidates making promises how they could lower gas prices but gas prices move no matter who the president is or what politicians are doing. but interestingly enough, when you look further out from 2008 until today, we will still have the highest gas prices on election day in history. the highest election day gas prices. >> election day gas prices. >> so interesting because it's the -- >> you drive to the polls. >> yeah. it's the pulse that's taken every time you fill up your car. for example, we worked out today at $3.60, today's gas prices on average, i'm spending 72 bucks to fill up my minivan and you think that -- >> love you admit you drive a minivan. you are so adorabldorable. >> average weekly earnings are
like $758 a week. $70 to fill up something every week, that's something you're really feel. that's why gas prices matter so much as a barometer of how people feel about the economy. >> i felt gas prices were the necessary evil. i'm about 78 to $85 a week. do you. >> do you drive a minivan? tease like a minivan. i also drive a smart car and try to offset. >> one is a fortune to fill up. >> one i almost never fill. i don't know where the gas tank is. >> real quickly -- >> i used to bring an eye dropper. >> eye dropper. >> 14 days straight, prices drop in gas prices all 21.1 cents. a big "usa today" story saying we could see 50 cents this fall season, this election season. does anybody think that we're going to ever again get down to where michelle bachmann was suggesting $2 gas i'll save the world. >> i learned a long time ago not to predict gas prices because there's so many things. middle east unrest, something
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already, and it ain't done yet. let's go to meteorologist chad myers who is keeping an eye on things. when i was looking at the storm today, and you and i always have these off camera conversations as these systems build. we've been talking about it for a couple of days. i have not heard this suggestion that it could be as bad as 1991's perfect storm as it heads up the east coast of the united states. are you seriously seeing it like that in the models now? >> well, the perfect storm was completely separate entity. a perfect storm was a cold storm that started to the north and sucked a storm system into it, therefore, giving it more energy. this is a warm system. this is a tropical system coming up that could slam into the northeast. yes, and if there are some worst case scenarios, i'll call it the imperfect storm because we've already named one perfect. it can'ting the same because they're not, and this could have more of an impact on more people than the perfect storm did for sure. 105-mile-per-hour winds right now, ashleigh. they are moving through the
bahamas and up. we will have huge waves on the coast of florida as the days go on. here's the reason why. category two storm dying off a little bit to a 90-mile-per-hour storm, but you have to realize how much on shore flow we are going to get here. major beach erosion, and stay out of the surf. the rip currents will be tremendous with this. we will lose a lot of surf with this as well. a lot of sand is going to go away with this storm. here's the latest, though. the latest track and why this could affect more people than the perfect storm did do more damage than the perfect storm did. it is between boston and the cape at the center of in new york city. that's the most scary scenario. we talked about this, and this is the off camera conversation we had about the modelled. one model two days ago, one model turned left. the rest went out on to sea. there's one model that goes out to sea, that one, and all the other models are on shore
somewhere from canada to washington d.c. >> okay. that tells me, chad, that you and i can talk again tomorrow, and hopefully halloween will be saved for all those children on wednesday. chad myers, thank you, sir. appreciate that. >> we're going to keep an eye on sandy as it heads towards the bow haumas, and joey jackson is next. what's...that... on your head? can curlers! tomato basil, potato with bacon... we've got a lot of empty cans. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. prand you're seeing that rightno quit in amnow.a... we've got a lot of empty cans. over five million new jobs. exports up forty one percent. home values... rising. our auto industry... back. and our heroes are coming home. we're not there yet, but we've made real progress and the...
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their alleged motive? autumn's fancy bmx bike. and then there's this too. police caught the brothers because their own mother turned them in. joining me live now to talk about this is defense attorney joey jackson. >> oh, man. >> she -- wow. i mean, she read a suspicious facebook posting or maybe a series of them and apparently did this with the police, turned her children in. how often do we actually see mothers turning their own children in, especially young children? >> oh, boy. in my experience? and in my practice? it doesn't happen. you have to think about this mother, what she's going through, and you have to credit her, but you know, it's maternal instinct to protect children. she has the foresight, the wherewithal to come forward and say, look, something is suspicious and something is amiss. we need justice here. have you to credit her for that, but actually it doesn't happen. >> let's ask about the process. right now they're facing juvenile process, but the prosecutors are researching the
right to move these kids into the adult system. so many questions. number one, one of them is 15. one is 17. could one be an adult and the other a juvenile? could both be adults even though one is only 15? >> sure. really quickly. what happens is there's a distinction between both systems. in juvenile court you don't get a trial by jury at all, okay? i judge decides that, and, of course, we know in regular court you get a trial by jury. on friday when they go to a hearing, it's not a bail hearing. it's a detention hearing. what's the difference? the difference is whether sthe they should be released to the custody of the parent under strict conditions, home confinement, monitoring, a bracelet. >> until their trial. >> exactly. until pending a trial here or whether they should be held. it's likely that in this case scenario they will be held. as to whether or not one can be detained, one can be released depends upon the conduct. as to whether or not they're both tried as consults which, of course, there's a right to do that. and in doing that, ashleigh, the court would evaluate, and the prosecutor would evaluate the gravity of the offense. there's a murder here. their prior conduct, their past history. there's a lot that the court has
to consider, but it's certainly possible depending who was the ringleader. was the 15-year-old forced by the older brother? was the older brother coerced by the younger brother? that will be -- they could be tried in different tracks, one in juvenile court and one in adult court. >> is it quite possible that bail is denied and those children never get back out to their parents? >> oh, yeah, sure. >> let me ask you about the mother who turned in the children. we know that spouses can't be forced to testify against one another, but what about her mom? does she have to testify against these kids if that's what this comes to? >> she'll be compelled to testify. it would seem to me that she would indeed testify. why? because she voluntarily went to the police, and so they're going to ask you her what led to her suspicions. the facebook post, what was their conduct like? what did you notice that was different about your children. it's likely that not even there be court intervention. she would do it on her own. >> oh, man. we have some work ahead of us. >> tough case. >> it